Friday, September 5, 2008

Wow! Palin=Bush?

I haven't watched all of the RNC speeches yet, but I just watched Palin's speech. Her world view was reminding me so much of Bush, and then I started thinking about their histories as governors, her denial of the human role in environmental destruction, her attribution of the war as God's will...the list goes on. WTF?!

8 comments:

hopalong said...

I didn't hear her attribute the war to God's will. She wants a timetable to get us out of there.

Silver Gerety said...

David Knowles

"In fact, a newly released video of the governor shows just how easily she mingles religion with politics. God's will, in her eyes, is something we can use to further our political ambition. Here she is on the building of a new natural gas pipeline:


"I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get the gas line built, so pray for that."


Sometimes you need to ask for a little help from the man upstairs, and sometimes you simply follow His clearly laid out plan:


"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will."


Like President Bush, Palin employs the holy spirit to justify her policy positions. If it's something you want, like an oil pipeline, you pray He'll help you get it built. If it's a badly mismanaged war (McCain's words) then it's all part of God's plan, be patient.

To recap why the religious right is so excited about Palin, she wants to: Ban all abortion. Teach creationism in public schools. Abolish sex education. And fight wars that are "God's will.""

Silver Gerety said...

By GENE JOHNSON
The Associated Press

Published: September 4th, 2008

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a "task that is from God."



In an address last June, the Republican vice presidential candidate also urged ministry students to pray for a plan to build a $30 billion natural gas pipeline in the state, calling it "God's will."

Palin asked the students to pray for the troops in Iraq and noted that her eldest son, Track, was expected to be deployed there.

"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."

A video of the speech was posted at the Wasilla Assembly of God's Web site before finding its way on to other sites on the Internet.

Palin told graduating students of the church's School of Ministry, "What I need to do is strike a deal with you guys." As they preached the love of Jesus throughout Alaska, she said, she'd work to implement God's will from the governor's office, including creating jobs by building a pipeline to bring North Slope natural gas to North American markets.

"God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.

"I can do my job there in developing our natural resources and doing things like getting the roads paved and making sure our troopers have their cop cars and their uniforms and their guns, and making sure our public schools are funded," she added. "But really all of that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God."

sf said...

Haha, irony.
I just realized those comments I posted were attributed to Silver
[finding them]. They weren't really my own, just what I had heard obviously. Guess maybe he should have signed out - it was me.
Anyway, any way anyway, a nnnnnnnnnnyw waaaaaaa aaay

hopalong said...

To the David Knowles thing: I'm incredibly disappointed in the God's-will idea (Godsploitation!), but he's mistaken on at least two counts:

She does not want to teach creationism in public schools. She said she didn't want to forbid the mention of it -- should it happen to come up -- because debate is important.

She does not want to abolish sex education. She has a more optimistic view of abstinence education than I do, but what she actually said is that she favors abstinence-only education over a sex-ed curriculum that would include handing out condoms in schools.

It's just frustrating to me to see so many people -- Knowles is not in the minority -- jump on the "fundie-creationist-abstinence-only-education" bandwagon with incorrect facts.

sf said...

No, minus ANY spin, what she ACTUALLY said is:
Q: Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?

SP: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.

That means the only thing she supports is telling kids be abstinent. There is NOTHING educational in that. And clearly, it was too little in her own family.

As far as her (kinda aw shucks ma'm, really) "teach both," in fact:
"The teaching of creationism, which relies on the biblical account of the creation of life, has been ruled by the U.S. Supreme Court as an unconstitutional injection of religion into public education."

There is a difference between science and philosophy, sociology, religion. I think you disagree with that, but there it is. To "debate about it" in science class (where the students are kids) will put every one of them in uncomfortable and/or adversarial positions.

hopalong said...

Q: Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?

I'm just as against abstinence-only education as you are, but I think that's an important distinction to be made in the question.

I don't think creationism should come up in science classes usually, either, but I think it's weird for things like that to be forbidden -- so while I disagree with her on that, I can see where she's coming from.



Still a far cry from the rabid creationist-and-abstinence-only psycho she's being portrayed as in most of the media.


Also, as far as her own family -- Alaska doesn't have abstinence-only education, to my knowledge.

hopalong said...

Looks like I was wrong -- she's pretty pro-contraception. I guess she was just showing support for abstinence education also?

"In a widely quoted 2006 survey she answered during her gubernatorial campaign, Palin said she supported abstinence-until-marriage programs. But weeks later, she proclaimed herself "pro-contraception" and said condoms ought to be discussed in schools alongside abstinence."

""I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues," she said during a debate in Juneau."

Palin appears to disagree with McCain on sex education